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  • C Offline
    chrisglasier
    last edited by chrisglasier 5 Jun 2009, 05:02

    Scene dialogs.png

    John (driven) kindly made a Mac version, the latest version with sample model is here.

    chrisglasierScenesMac-v.2.zip

    He hopes to make a self extracting version if you would like to wait for that.

    Feedback from Mac users and/or coders would be much appreciated.

    Helps manage scenes, layers and components in a single re-sizable automated interface.

    Here is Release 1.051 for PC users:

    cgScenes R 1.051.zip

    %(#0000BF)[GUIDELINES FOR SCENE MANAGEMENT

    Sutra.jpg

    Use cgScene's

    left reel to browse (1st click) and open (2nd click) each scene and current aspect (e.g layer)
    middle reel to check each aspect of the current scene
    middle reel layer menu to sort layers by abc or visibility and to add and name new layer
    middle reel components menu to show or hide all current scene components
    right reel to browse (1st click) and hide/show (2nd click) properties to save, layers and components, and change (2nd click) views and styles.

    Update to save scene properties selected. Update before Synch.

    Synch to update web dialog content after making changes or component selection in Sketchup display.

    Use Sketchup's

    context menu to add, delete, rename or describe a scene
    layer window to rename or delete existing layer
    layer window to select layer colors
    shadows toolbar]

    I think it best to download test model for initial familiarisation from here. It has perspectives, orthogonal views and trade scopes, using many layers and components and seven different styles. Also have a look at the gallery of images. Here are some recent additions showing design in progress:

    Brickwork.jpg

    Complete roof.jpg

    Concrete.jpg

    South.jpg

    If a scene is not showing what is expected double check Properties to ensure everything required is being saved and check layer and components status as these can contradict each other. If still not performing correctly, PM me or post here.

    But if you have any general suggestions please post them in Behind cgScenes.

    Thanks

    Chris

    With TBA interfaces we can analyse what is to be achieved so that IT can help with automation to achieve it.

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      Edson
      last edited by 5 Jun 2009, 18:42

      hi chris,

      would you care to explain a little more about your plugin? i am afraid not everyone will know what it is about.

      edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
      http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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        chrisglasier
        last edited by 6 Jun 2009, 01:35

        @edson said:

        hi chris,

        would you care to explain a little more about your plugin? i am afraid not everyone will know what it is about.

        Yes, sorry. I made a video but all uploading has been blocked since some dispute over Youtube. So I thought I would try without; not too clever I guess!

        The basic idea is to take essential elements of entity info, scene manager, layer, outliner, and styles windows, together with views and other items in the camera menu and put them into one web dialog "machine" (it has moving parts as you can see below).

        Animation1.gif

        This is made possible by nameset technology, a mix of listing by association (e.g. spaces associated with a building; ff+e associated with a space; layers associated with a scene) and web site animation. Unfortunately I can only claim the adaptation of the original idea to modern technology and thinking, as explained here.

        I hope the set of animated images of the machine is helpful; but really if you are interested in using scenes to illustrate multiple aspects of designs with 3D presentations, dimensioned orthogonal views, dedicated trade details and on and on, I of course recommend trying out the real thing to see the whole interaction and where it might lead.

        Thanks for your interest and advice,

        Chris

        With TBA interfaces we can analyse what is to be achieved so that IT can help with automation to achieve it.

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          Edson
          last edited by 6 Jun 2009, 11:47

          @chrisglasier said:

          The basic idea is to take essential elements of entity info, scene manager, layer, outliner, and styles windows, together with views and other items in the camera menu and put them into one web dialog "machine" (it has moving parts as you can see below).

          i am sorry, but it remains obscure to me. perhaps the video would clear it up. have you tried to host your video somewhere else like vimeo or blip.tv?

          edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
          http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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            chrisglasier
            last edited by 6 Jun 2009, 12:14

            @edson said:

            @chrisglasier said:

            i am sorry, but it remains obscure to me. perhaps the video would clear it up. have you tried to host your video somewhere else like vimeo or blip.tv?

            I have tried many - all fail - Vimeo after waiting 6 hours!

            I have to go to dinner now, but simply if you select a scene in the left column, it opens that scene; if you select Layers in the middle column, it shows you the scene's layers and their visibility status in the third; if you select Components in the middle, it shows the scene's components in the third; the same for styles ...

            The menus at the top enable you to toggle things on and off, add, erase and so on as in the SU windows. In other words it does nothing new, it just does it without you having to open and/or move from window to window. The information comes to you. More of your model is left exposed.

            Really thanks, you know when so deep into something it is sometimes difficult to put things across. I hope this is a bit better!

            My regards

            Chris

            With TBA interfaces we can analyse what is to be achieved so that IT can help with automation to achieve it.

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              Edson
              last edited by 6 Jun 2009, 12:23

              chris,

              this is much better. i'll have a go at it soon. thanks.

              edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
              http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                thomthom
                last edited by 6 Jun 2009, 13:32

                Downloaded to have a look at this. I see now that it's some kind of organizer window that takes on the roles of the many individual SU windows and merge functionality into one. Am I correct?

                I got an error message when I tried it though. When I activated the tool in a model with no scenes I got this:
                error.png

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                  chrisglasier
                  last edited by 6 Jun 2009, 14:00

                  @thomthom said:

                  I got an error message when I tried it though. When I activated the tool in a model with no scenes I got this:
                  [attachment=0:kxsxxkug]<!-- ia0 -->error.png<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:kxsxxkug]

                  Sorry it should open an alert. For the moment please just add a new scene before opening the plugin. Better still download the 5.7 mb test model from here so you can see how it handles (inshala) several scenes, layers, components and styles. Blank applications can be dead boring!

                  Sorry for teething problems ...

                  Chris

                  With TBA interfaces we can analyse what is to be achieved so that IT can help with automation to achieve it.

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                    tomasz
                    last edited by 6 Jun 2009, 15:45

                    @chrisglasier said:

                    Sorry for teething problems ...

                    To run the script successfully one needs to add

                    require 'sketchup.rb'
                    

                    at the start of the code.

                    I am testing it Chris right now. It looks interesting.
                    Toggling items could be done by double click also. It would improve layer\component sets editing speed.

                    Thanks
                    Tomasz

                    Author of [Thea Render for SketchUp](http://www.thearender.com/sketchup)

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                      tomasz
                      last edited by 6 Jun 2009, 15:57

                      Now if we could have groups of scenes. What I mean - a higher level in hierarchy, above scenes alone.
                      If a user could move\copy a scene from one group to another it would be great.

                      In the given SU example the Groups could be called Perspectives, Elevations, Plans, Sections.

                      EDIT: There is a tricky thing I realized. Some plugins may attach attributes to scenes, so you would need to copy\move them too.

                      Tomasz

                      Author of [Thea Render for SketchUp](http://www.thearender.com/sketchup)

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                        chrisglasier
                        last edited by 7 Jun 2009, 00:16

                        @unknownuser said:

                        To run the script successfully one needs to add

                        require 'sketchup.rb'
                        

                        I have added it for the next release. If I remember correctly it is more precaution than necessity so the current code should work without it. But I am a reluctant coder particularly where Ruby is concerned, when I do little more than lip-sync. Any straightening out recommendations are well received.

                        @unknownuser said:

                        Toggling items could be done by double click also. It would improve layer\component sets editing speed.

                        Indeed. But please remember I am trying to make this a device module that can be added to the core nameset. I use some core minimalist panel and event handling conventions for overall control. I have avoided double click so far because I have been sceptical how it performs on handheld devices - a single stab or poke seems safer.

                        But I become more aware of things like editing speed as I am finishing the little house model. Yesterday I changed the top menu to be right aligned, directly above the main (3rd) clicking list, which is more natural. You will be able to move the white stripe closer (but this means more clicks for upward scrolling).

                        [BTW did you see the window is resizable (to help determine the compromise between screen obstruction and long names)?]

                        @unknownuser said:

                        Now if we could have groups of scenes. What I mean - a higher level in hierarchy, above scenes alone.
                        If a user could move\copy a scene from one group to another it would be great.

                        Yes, higher level groups are the real challenge not just for scenes but also components. Not to be confused with SU groups, I categorise these as collections and groupings, collections that define the physical aspects of the project (buildings, floors, spaces, products) and groupings that are less influenced by final positioning that may relate to scheduling (sanitaryware), buying (purchase orders), distribution, containerisation, sustainability (to jump on the band wagon), colour boards, regulations (fire), operating (diagrams) and so on.

                        Two important points are that one component can belong to many groups and all collecting and grouping is computed outside modeling; and one important question is: can components be used in lieu of SU groups to the point of extinction - what do you think?

                        Thanks for your interest and help

                        Chris

                        With TBA interfaces we can analyse what is to be achieved so that IT can help with automation to achieve it.

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                          chrisglasier
                          last edited by 10 Jun 2009, 05:56

                          Just to keep things updated :

                          cgScenes R1.01 (basic config).zip

                          Release 1.01 includes the following amendments:

                          Added sketchup.rb (thanks to Tomasz SCF)
                          Added scene setup for new files
                          Right aligned menu for easier toggling
                          Rename layer function
                          Excluded Layer0

                          cg

                          With TBA interfaces we can analyse what is to be achieved so that IT can help with automation to achieve it.

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                          • Chris FullmerC Offline
                            Chris Fullmer
                            last edited by 10 Jun 2009, 06:05

                            Hi Chris, you can organize it however you want, but most authors update the file in the original post so that people don't have to read through an entire thread to make sure they are downloading the most recent vesion.

                            Also, I think you started another thread where you posted this new version already. It might be adviseble to delete it from this thread, and just put a link to that thread from here, and also in the top post. And also, again, remove the old file from the top post. That way you only have one file - always the most current - posted somewhere. Otherwise it can be confusing for users to try and fin the most recent version.

                            But, you can do it however you like. Just in the end, try to make it so users can't accidentally find old versions of your scripts.

                            Keep up the great work! I can begin to finally understand namesets in the context of layers, scenes, styles, etc and how all these things are connected and all affect the same objects. Little by little it is coming together.

                            Chris

                            BTW, have you looked at Google Wave yet? It is interesting!

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                              Jim
                              last edited by 10 Jun 2009, 07:05

                              @chrisglasier said:

                              " I asked Jim to be put cgScenes on the register so I can just refer to it there for the releases and continue my mumblings here in the usual fashion. Do you think that would be OK?

                              ]
                              Sorry about this, Chris. I hope, in not very much longer that you will be able to enter and edit your entries yourself. I'm talking a couple of days, if you can wait...

                              Hi

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                                chrisglasier
                                last edited by 10 Jun 2009, 07:12

                                @chris fullmer said:

                                Hi Chris, you can organize it however you want ...

                                No, I don't want to take that line, but I just thought as this thread has [code] in the title it should also get the latest version. The other post is a background piece, but of course it needed to have the updated version to make sense. To save the "on and on," I asked Jim if cgScenes could be put on the register so I can just refer to it there for the releases and continue my mumblings here in the usual fashion. Do you think that would be OK?

                                @chris fullmer said:

                                .. how all these things are connected and all affect the same objects.

                                Yes and this underpins "linking data" that Kevin Kelly and others keep raving on about.

                                @unknownuser said:

                                BTW, have you looked at Google Wave yet? It is interesting!

                                I can only imagine right now - youtube has been blocked here, but I am planning to look elsewhere soon

                                Thanks

                                Chris

                                With TBA interfaces we can analyse what is to be achieved so that IT can help with automation to achieve it.

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                                  jmmad
                                  last edited by 16 Jun 2009, 15:40

                                  Hi Chris
                                  looks a really useful plugin.
                                  I downloaded version 1.3
                                  But I don't know how to install it please give me a hint
                                  Thxs

                                  Get Upa !

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                                    chrisglasier
                                    last edited by 16 Jun 2009, 16:23

                                    If you have a PC extract zip file to your plugs-in folder. Suggest you use model Test file (downloadable from web site). Open Sketchup. Look in plugins menu for cgScenes.

                                    We are still working on Mac version.

                                    Thanks

                                    Chris

                                    With TBA interfaces we can analyse what is to be achieved so that IT can help with automation to achieve it.

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                                      chrisglasier
                                      last edited by 27 Jun 2009, 06:23

                                      I put release 1.04 in the first post. You can also download it from the Namesets web site (Output section).

                                      With TBA interfaces we can analyse what is to be achieved so that IT can help with automation to achieve it.

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                                        Dave R
                                        last edited by 27 Jun 2009, 12:04

                                        Thanks for the update, Chris.

                                        Could I ask a favor? Would you please edit the thread title to reflect the current version and revision date? That would make it easier for folks to know there's been a change to the plugin.

                                        Thanks again.

                                        Dave

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                                          chrisglasier
                                          last edited by 28 Jun 2009, 10:59

                                          @jim said:

                                          @chrisglasier said:

                                          " I asked Jim to be put cgScenes on the register so I can just refer to it there for the releases and continue my mumblings here in the usual fashion. Do you think that would be OK?

                                          Sorry about this, Chris. I hope, in not very much longer that you will be able to enter and edit your entries yourself. I'm talking a couple of days, if you can wait...

                                          Would you be so kind as to put cgScenes on manually now I have released 1.04(PC)? Do you need any info from me? Thanks.

                                          Chris

                                          With TBA interfaces we can analyse what is to be achieved so that IT can help with automation to achieve it.

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